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Episode #185: Discovering Pleasure in Hobbies (Deep Dive)

This week, we’re speaking about hobbies and the way they’ve introduced pleasure into our lives. Plus, we’re additionally sharing how find time for them with every little thing else happening in our lives.

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Present Notes:

Hobbies and Why They Convey You Pleasure:

Emma – Cooking, jewellery making, portray, and stitching.

Elsie – Portray, baking, adorning, amassing classic, and studying.

How You Discover Time for Your Hobbies:


  • Break your passion into small steps
  • Discover a passion you are able to do whereas watching TV
  • Restrict your screentime and do your passion as an alternative


  • Schedule it in
  • Work it into your job
  • Change into an expert multi-tasker
  • Visualize what you need your future self to be doing

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Right here is the hyperlink for the hypnotist that Emma noticed.

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Episode 185 Transcript:

Elsie: You’re listening to The Stunning Mess Podcast, your cozy consolation hear. This week we’re speaking about our hobbies and the way they’ve introduced pleasure into our lives. Plus, we’re additionally sharing how we make time for hobbies with every little thing else happening in our lives. Yeah, there are a number of different issues happening moreover the hobbies, so I feel this can be an incredible episode. We’ve a mega pep discuss, it’s undoubtedly considered one of our most requested questions. Individuals at all times wanna know, how do you do all of it? And we’re like we don’t.

Emma: Yeah and I simply love hobbies usually. I really feel like our entire life has simply been doing hobbies and it simply grew into our jobs at a sure level, which is actually cool and fortunate. But additionally simply is sensible to me as a result of I’m like, yeah, I don’t know what else there’s, it’s simply hobbies. Let’s simply make stuff. Anyway. 

Elsie: Yeah. I really feel like you possibly can at all times have room for one more passion that’s for certain a theme of our lives. Earlier than we soar into it, Emma has seen a hypnotist. She has undergone hypnosis and she or he desires to inform us about it. So I like have received induced my total life. I’m dying of FOMO and I wanna hear each element. 

Emma: I went to a hypnotist to attempt to work on altering my behavior of biting my nails. Should you’ve learn our weblog for a very long time or been a listener you most likely know I’ve been a long-time nail-biter. I don’t even bear in mind a time in my life after I wasn’t a nail-biter. I began biting my nails after I was a child, sooner or later, I don’t even bear in mind, I simply at all times bitten my nails. And I did cease for like a yr and a half or one thing whereas I used to be pregnant. And the primary couple of minutes that we had Oscar. And I feel it was as a result of it was 2020, I used to be pregnant and I used to be dwelling in a pandemic as all of us had been, and studying about it on the fly like all of us had been. And I feel I used to be simply scared to place my fingers in my mouth as a result of I used to be like, I’m scared I used to be staying residence, however I used to be nonetheless like, I’m simply type of scared, and I don’t wanna put my fingers in my mouth. I’m pregnant, I’m nervous, I used to be very nervous about my being pregnant as a result of I used to be doing it throughout that point. Anyway, someday after Oscar was born, perhaps round six months or 9 months, I actually don’t bear in mind however I type of fell again into the behavior. And for me, as soon as I get again in, it’s like I’ll be hardcore biting my nails for some time, after which I’ll normally have just a little time the place I get higher after which I fall again into it once more, and that’s similar to what the behavior’s like for me. And I feel I’ve at all times type of struggled with me why, like, why I wanna cease biting my nails or like placing plenty of effort in the direction of it. And even speaking about it simply feels type of foolish to me at instances. It makes me really feel prefer it’s this very vapid factor. Like I’m simply solely caring about the best way my nails look, and that’s so foolish. I shouldn’t care how I look, you realize. 

Elsie: Otherwise you’re like responding to bully feedback as a result of individuals typically depart Emma imply feedback when she has like her hand in an image. I feel that that’s arduous too as a result of we’ve form of educated ourselves to disregard individuals like that. 

Emma: You must. So I’m like, do I even care about this? I really feel like I’ve struggled with even figuring out that I undoubtedly did wanna change this behavior. So anyway, I’ve tried a number of issues over time, particularly after I was rising up in like highschool and school. There have been a number of completely different sorts of merchandise in the marketplace, simply little completely different strategies. So most issues that you can imagine, I’ve most likely tried, so some basic items, some type of ridiculous issues, and I used to be like, you realize what? I really feel like I’ve tried all of it and I nonetheless wanna maintain engaged on this I’m nonetheless optimistic that I can change and that issues can change, however I feel I must strive one thing new. And I used to be like, you realize what, why did I get hypnotized? So I had heard of individuals doing this for like smoking or weight reduction and I don’t know, I simply thought, why not, it’s not gonna harm. In order that was just about my motivation. So I began trying up hypnotists in my metropolis, and I discovered a number of, and I linked with one. He appeared to get alongside, though he’s in Springfield, Missouri the place I reside. We did every little thing over Zoom, so he might join with you. Should you’re I’ll put it within the present notes, however he might join with you anyplace. Earlier than my session, he gave me this worksheet that I stuffed out and gave again to him earlier than the session. That was primarily, 5 to seven the explanation why I needed to do that, my objective, which for me was nail biting. So 5 to seven the explanation why I wanna cease biting my nails after which it additionally had me fill out these sections that had been like, one month from now, right here’s what my life will seem like. One yr from now, right here’s what my life will seem like, 5 years from now and so I stuffed out that entire factor. I used to be truly getting my oil modified and I had time. I used to be sitting there and I used to be like filling this out about to get hypnotized whereas I used to be getting my oil modified. And I feel that truthfully simply that in and of itself earlier than even doing the hypnosis session was actually useful as a result of I don’t suppose I’d actually made myself sit down and actually suppose by all the explanations I actually did wanna cease biting my nails. At first, was like, oh, that is simply gonna be like, I simply need fairly nails. I simply need individuals to not make enjoyable of me on the web. After which as I began writing extra causes, not all of them, I really feel like sharing on this podcast, however I used to be like, you realize what? Truly, a few of these are rather a lot deeper than that, this truly is vital to me. That even simply gave me extra like, hey, that is vital to you and it’s okay that you simply wish to make a change and it’s cool that you simply wish to make a change. And even if in case you have a tough time with it, it’s okay, this isn’t only a vapid objective. This isn’t only a vainness factor, there’s truly some deeper issues right here. In order that was cool. After which the explanation he has you observe that out is type of for the explanations I simply stated, it helps you, however then additionally he makes use of plenty of your language again to you through the hypnosis. Particularly the objective part the place I used to be like, a yr from now it’ll seem like this. So it was actually an element through the hypnosis when he was like, and you’ll go to the nail salon along with your niece and you may get your nails executed and also you received’t must really feel, he was utilizing my language as a result of I want to take Goldie to get our nails executed a while and I don’t actually wanna do it whereas my nails are like tiny, tiny, brief as a result of it’s simply embarrassing, and Goldie’s a girly woman, and I want to get our nails executed collectively. So usually, my assessment of being hypnotized is, it felt rather a lot like a guided meditation. I really feel like most individuals have seen a film earlier than the place you’re in a trance after which they offer you a command and also you simply do it blindly, like bawk like a hen.

Elsie: So there was nothing about it that felt completely different from meditation. 

Emma: No, I felt undoubtedly awake the entire time, I bear in mind all the session. He additionally takes a video of the session, he tells you forward of time, however he takes a video of it. It’s a display recording sort video and the reason being as a result of then you possibly can play it once more like a guided meditation and you would do the hypnosis once more. You simply shut your eyes and take heed to it once more as a result of it’s actually simply him speaking the entire time, you don’t actually reply in any respect. He’s watching you to type of see what resonates and what doesn’t and he’ll type of change the session based mostly on that. I might undoubtedly take heed to it once more proper now and it will be useful. So, yeah, it was actually cool, it felt like a guided meditation. It felt very constructive. It felt similar to, I’ve extra instruments now for reframing this behavior that I’m trying to change. For instance, one of many issues that he stated through the hypnosis was, you don’t must do something to realize this, simply do much less. So if you wanna put your fingers to your mouth, simply do nothing as a result of to chew your nails is definitely to take an motion, I’ve to raise my hand to my mouth. I’ve to chew on my nail, whereas if I wanna cease biting nails, I actually simply must do much less, do nothing and so it was simply reframing one thing actually. However I’d by no means considered it in that means and it felt very highly effective to me on the time, and nonetheless, as a result of I’ve at all times thought, I’m gonna must have all this willpower and to muscle my means out of this dangerous behavior that I’ve, but it surely’s like, no, truly I simply must do much less. So since then, each time I’ve gone to chew my nails, I simply say, oh, simply do nothing. And I simply type of loosen up and let myself calm after which I simply don’t chew my nails. Yeah. It’s been a couple of month since I haven’t bit my nails. 

Elsie: I’m curious to listen to just a little extra about the way it’s been since you probably did the hypnosis. Has something modified? How do you are feeling now? 

Emma: Yeah, I really feel like I take advantage of the instruments from the hypnosis after I’m feeling a second of desirous to chew my nails. He additionally had this factor the place he was like, you’re gonna discover the colour purple rather a lot, and that’s simply gonna assist you recenter on this objective and why you need it. And so now anytime I see the colour purple, he most likely might have picked any shade as a result of it’s like I see all types of colours on a regular basis, however after I see purple it actually does. I don’t know, it simply jogs my memory, you’re not a nail-biter, you don’t wanna chew your nails anymore, and it’s good to do nothing with a purpose to obtain that, it’s already occurring proper now since you’re not biting your nails proper now. And it simply type of recenters me, which is good. And I feel utilizing shade for me actually labored as a result of I’m a really visible individual, however yeah, it’s solely been like a month, however I haven’t bitten my nails since then. I’m not likely anticipating that I’ll by no means chew my nails once more after getting hypnotized one time. I don’t know, however I believed it was very useful and really constructive and I actually appreciated it. It felt just a little embarrassing in a means too, like listening to him say again my targets to me. I don’t actually like plenty of consideration. I don’t even prefer it when individuals sing Completely happy Birthday to me. So to have that hour and a half of somebody centered on you. It was just a little bit uncomfortable for me and my persona, but it surely was a really skilled expertise, and felt good and constructive. I’d additionally say for anybody who’s in any respect, It’s undoubtedly a kind of issues, like most issues in life the place you most likely get out of it as a lot as you need. You already know, If I used to be gonna go to church, however I present up and I’m like, that is bull and I hate this and guess what, you’re not gonna get something out of it. So in the identical means, I’d say, should you wanna get one thing out of it, you most likely can, and should you suppose it’s bull you suppose it’s dumb, then you definitely most likely received’t. There you go. 

Elsie: Yeah, I feel most issues in life are precisely like that. I feel it’s a glowing assessment of hypnosis and I undoubtedly wanna strive it. I’m undoubtedly gonna take a look at the hyperlink that you simply put within the present notes. That’s thrilling, I’ve at all times thought it sounded cool, most likely. I believed it will be just a little extra mysterious than the way you’re describing it, however nonetheless sounds useful. So enjoyable. 

Emma: I feel there have been extra woo-woo elements and I feel I simply didn’t gravitate towards them as a lot as a result of I used to be actually within the temper to concentrate on the behavior factor. However there is part of the hypnosis the place he had me revisit like little woman Emma, younger Emma, and discuss to her and inform her inside, not out loud, however that she’s worthy and it doesn’t matter that she bites her nails and it’s high quality. Simply various things and simply mainly return to your childhood self and say that you simply love them and you like your self, and that felt actually highly effective. Additionally, this was my very own private factor, I had nothing to do with something he was saying, however I simply had this second the place I used to be speaking to my little woman self Emma. I don’t know why I maintain calling her little woman self, it’s type of a bizarre approach to put it younger Emma. So anyway, I’m speaking to 12-year-old Emma, and abruptly I felt I used to be underneath the ocean and it was scary, and I felt like a shark was coming in the direction of me. After which what I did was I turned myself right into a shark after which I felt actually highly effective and I used to be simply part of what was occurring, not like I used to be afraid of what was occurring. And typically I am going again to that in my thoughts after I’m having a second of feeling anxious or overwhelmed as I’m like, I’m a shark. 

Elsie: Hell yeah. Properly, that’s type of enjoyable. I like that. 

Emma: I don’t even know what which means. I don’t know what has to do with the nail-biting however, there you go.

Elsie: Overcoming fears, perhaps overcoming insecurities. I imply, I feel with something in life that you simply’ve tried to alter earlier than and failed at repeatedly, there’s a barrier there. Like a path of failure, it’s a lot tougher than making an attempt for the primary time. We’re all providing you with the largest cheer, Emma. I do know everybody’s so proud proper now, and I’m so proud. I simply suppose it’s cool that you simply had been open to making an attempt one thing bizarre that you simply had by no means tried earlier than. You don’t have any concept if it’ll work, you simply had been open. I feel it’s very cool. 

Emma: Thanks. That’s what I used to be going for. Adore it. I used to be like, perhaps it’ll assist, can’t harm. What have I acquired to lose, nothing. 

Elsie: Properly, I feel that’s a tremendous story. I undoubtedly wanna strive it sooner or later and I’m certain we’ll most likely get a number of emails from different individuals who strive it since you’re assessment could be very convincing. Okay, so this episode is about discovering pleasure and hobbies. So, little teeny tiny backstory about our careers. So we did develop up, clearly, we’re sisters, sometimes individuals don’t know that. So we did develop up collectively in the identical home. We had been very like greatest pals within the junior excessive and highschool period of our rising up section, and we acquired plenty of the identical hobbies. We went collectively to our little punk rock music festivals and the thrift shops and we made our personal clothes. We had artwork exhibits the place we simply would go to an area espresso store or a spot that I don’t know, we thought would say sure and be like, can I’ve a gallery present of my artwork, and they’d be like, certain. We simply did plenty of stuff like that. Identical to artistic, and joyful, typically it was a giant success. Typically it led to one thing, typically it was nothing. Typically it’s simply one thing we glance again and we’re like just a little bit cringed out by it, it’s all around the map and I feel that that’s a beautiful approach to reside, a beautiful approach to develop up. It’s what I would like for my youngsters and so on this podcast, we are going to attempt to promote you on the thought of it as nicely, that it’s one thing that may very well be good for you as a result of my strongest perception in life, my strongest, I don’t know should you would name it like philosophy or a core perception that I’ve is that crucial factor in life is to by no means cease studying. And I feel that should you determine that you simply’re executed, you might be. And should you determine that you simply’re by no means gonna be executed, you by no means can be. And I simply suppose there’s such a distinction in individuals. I’m very, very impressed by older individuals who begin new issues. It’s one thing we’ve talked about on the podcast plenty of instances. I’d say that considered one of my largest targets in life is that I wish to maintain making an attempt and beginning new issues without end till I die. I learn final week that David Bowie launched an album the week earlier than he died, and it was type of random, it was not the music that you realize him for, however simply doing it up till the top, simply being artistic, not likely caring concerning the consequence like that. I feel that that’s a gorgeous, stunning means for the start, center, and finish of each single section of life. 

Emma: Yeah, that appears like a full life to me. Feels like the great life. In all probability after we discuss particular hobbies, Elsie and I are gonna discuss plenty of visible hobbies and craft-type issues and studying as a result of that’s what I’m into. However hobbies are additionally nice, you is perhaps musical, you is perhaps actually into health. There are all types of issues and I simply wanna put that on the market, though we would not point out a few of your hobbies. These are actually legitimate and superior too. Yeah. I feel it’s apparent, however now and again, I simply suppose it’s good to inform individuals like, Hey, we would not have your passion, however should you’re like, I play piano daily, I’m like, that’s so cool, and I do know nothing about it, however that’s superior. 

Elsie: That’s true. I feel that we’ve solely tried so many issues, however clearly, the checklist is countless of issues you possibly can strive like my brother-in-law is tremendous, tremendous into espresso and he is aware of like each single boutique espresso roaster within the US, he can discuss it for hours. He will get actually into the issues he buys and it’s simply so enjoyable to me and I at all times study one thing new. And plenty of instances I simply do what he does. So I simply suppose that being an enthusiastic individual is such a gorgeous factor. So the opposite factor I needed to speak about earlier than we absolutely dive in is the mom-specific a part of it as a result of I do know lots of people who take heed to our podcast are mothers or perhaps you’re going to be a mother, perhaps you’re a grandma. It’s principally girls who take heed to our podcast, though I’ve heard of a number of males, which is thrilling too. 

Emma: Principally John. 

Elsie: There are some, my realtor, Daniel, shout out to my two pals who’re males who take heed to the podcast. However anyway, I suppose this is applicable to being a mother or father typically and never only a mother, however the years of your life when you will have little youngsters are so exhausting. The right phrase is exhausting. It may possibly really feel just like the power is drained out of you each single day. They’re simply so arduous, and I utterly perceive now how individuals really feel like they lose themselves, in these years, I get it. I feel that it was a factor earlier than I had youngsters, I checked out it as like, why are you making such a giant deal? Or like, why don’t you simply do one thing for your self? I didn’t perceive, but it surely’s simply so extraordinarily exhausting for therefore many, it’s not simply days or even weeks, months, and years at a time. The compounding impact is typically to enter like form of a everlasting survival mode. And so, on this episode, I wanna encourage you that should you maintain even simply the tiniest shred of your hobbies alive throughout these years, they may nonetheless be there for you later, and even when that ship is sailed and you are feeling like your plant utterly died, you possibly can nonetheless additionally begin over. I simply suppose that that’s one thing to acknowledge as a result of it’s so intense. 

Emma: Yeah, for certain. And if we’re shifting into form of the primary a part of our define, which is let’s do it, hobbies and why they carry you pleasure. As a result of I really feel like that type of segues with what you had been simply saying is I really feel like one of many causes I really feel so keen about hobbies is as a result of, I like all people and by nature type of an issue solver, and so I really feel like hobbies for me is me fixing an issue that I selected and that I wish to fiddle with. So if I’m engaged on a recipe, cooking’s undoubtedly a passion for me, though I do it for work too. I simply actually take pleasure in it, that’s form of a part of it. However I do plenty of jewellery making and portray and stitching, though I’m horrible at stitching, and plenty of that doesn’t present up on our weblog. And for me, it’s type of like problem-solving. I’m like, oh, I wanna make a necklace that has these three colours and I would like it to really feel actually massive and thrilling. Or, I would like this one to really feel calm and chill and also you’re like type of fixing a factor. And I feel everytime you’re elevating younger youngsters and there are different instances in life if you’re overwhelmed too, by the best way, however that’s considered one of ’em for each of us that we’re within the section of. You do plenty of problem-solving if you’re elevating a new child or a child or a toddler or just a little child. You do plenty of problem-solving all day with them, as a result of it’s like they’re crying, what do they want? One thing smells, that one’s fairly simple to resolve, diaper time. Making snacks, cleansing issues up, determining issues for them to try this are secure however entertaining however not gonna rot their mind, however goes to problem them, it’s plenty of problem-solving. I feel there are many different issues in life which can be like that too. So typically I feel we’re utilizing that muscle a lot that we’d like a passion that’s like chill. It has much less drawback fixing or we would want no passion for just a little bit if it’s like, no, I utterly haven’t any mind cells left. I’m in new child instances, so my solely passion is skincare as a result of I don’t give it some thought. I simply put stuff on my face, fall asleep. However for me, most of my life, though having a new child and a toddler, I’ve a specific amount of capability. The place I wanna resolve issues and I wish to make {that a} constructive a part of my life I truly heard this quote one time and I ought to have seemed it up as a result of now I can’t bear in mind who stated it. It was in a guide, I feel. However they mainly stated, I’m an artist and if I don’t create, I’ll most likely develop into a hypochondriac as a result of I simply wish to resolve issues. 

Elsie: Oh, that’s humorous. 

Emma: And I used to be like, that’s an fascinating perspective, and the extra I considered it, I used to be like, yeah, I feel I get what this individual is saying. They’re saying this factor about our humanity, drawback fixing, we are able to channel it for good, we are able to have hobbies, we are able to construct issues with our careers, we are able to care for kids. Or I might use it as one thing that’s type of like making up issues. I feel that’s what they’re making an attempt to say with a hypochondriac remark I can type of use this to type of hurt myself just a little bit or distract myself in a means that’s perhaps not constructive. I feel that’s type of what they had been getting at with it and for me, hobbies are like filling my time with one thing constructive that excites me and challenges me the correct quantity, and that I simply discover enjoyment from.

Elsie: That’s a extremely fascinating level. I feel that for my persona, it’s like I must have plenty of tasks on a regular basis. So after I’m busy it could actually go from like very productive to love very self-sabotaging, it may be both one. It simply relies upon. Yeah. That’s one thing I’ve type of by no means actually considered earlier than. Is like maintaining life filled with more healthy, extra productive hobbies in order that I don’t get too bored mainly and must go to the hobbies which can be extra self-destructive or those, there’s simply ones that shouldn’t be executed in extra or no matter. 

Emma: On the subject of selecting hobbies, I take into consideration what sort of individual you might be so far as an introvert, extrovert or visible learner, auditory learner, or issues like that. As a result of Elsie and I, we’ve talked about this earlier than, we’re each type of introverts. I like to spend so much of time alone. So for me, crafts and artwork tasks that I can do on my own as additionally studying and writing are all issues which can be very very like I’m in my very own head, I’m on my own. I may very well be sitting by different individuals, however these virtually assist me escape. After I’m studying on a airplane, I’m making an attempt to deal with my boredom and nervousness by escaping and being alone, however I’m not likely alone, I’m on a airplane, you realize? However that’s form of a part of it for me I’m usually on the lookout for hobbies the place I get to be alone as a result of that’s how I recharge my batteries in order that I can then hang around with individuals and have social interactions and be a mother and all of the issues I wish to do in my life as nicely, and in addition carry me pleasure. However for some individuals, they is perhaps like, I’m an extrovert. So perhaps it is best to take into consideration becoming a member of a theater group or a band or one thing the place you’re gonna be interacting with different individuals. And that’s a part of the passion is constructing one thing collectively. 

Elsie: Individuals prefer to work out in teams of individuals perhaps.

Emma: Yeah, issues like that. I feel there are many methods to do hobbies with others and that is perhaps actually interesting to you if that’s the way you recharge your batteries. 

Elsie: So I wrote down my most joyful hobbies that I’ve discovered by the years. The primary one is portray. I don’t know if I’m the best painter, but it surely’s one thing that I’ll at all times come again to, it at all times brings me pleasure and it’s simply so enjoyable and there are countless methods to do it. So I really feel like it will by no means get boring. The following one is baking and my baking passion is unquestionably seasonal. It’s a winter passion that I really like, a seasonal passion just about. It’s just about utterly gone this time of yr. My little five-year-old at all times desires to bake and I’m like, eh, let’s make a smoothie. I’m simply not within the temper to bake proper now, it’s undoubtedly a temper factor. As quickly because it turns, not even September, like August twentieth, I’d say is the precise day when my mind turns to cake pops for the remainder of the yr, after which adorning for certain is my without end passion, it’s my very own house, it’s for myself. I feel lots of people have the misunderstanding that I do it for the web. There’s no means for me to show this like off the web cuz then you definitely simply wouldn’t see however after I don’t publish issues, I’m nonetheless doing it at residence. Are you able to vouch for me, Emma? I nonetheless do it on a regular basis. Even when it’s one thing I by no means present. It’s like my dearest grandpa. 

Emma: Yeah, you redecorated your room nevertheless many instances our dad and mom allow you to like rising up and we didn’t even have the web. You similar to seasonal adorning, but in addition simply Inside design, adorning stuff, you’ve at all times executed that. It actually has nothing to do with different individuals. You’re similar to that. 

Elsie: Okay. I’ve two extra. Accumulating classic, the factor I really like about amassing classic is that it could actually imply nothing. It may be simply junk. It may be stuff that you simply shouldn’t have purchased or it could actually imply every little thing, it may be essentially the most particular factor in your total residence. And I feel honing that talent the place you study to inform the distinction between the stuff, like depart rather a lot behind. I am going out of shops rather a lot with out shopping for something, though not as a lot currently as a result of I’m on a mission proper now. I feel changing into actually, actually choosy the place you’re amassing for a sure aesthetic for a sure like I’ve a dream home in my thoughts that’s not less than half filled with antiques. So I do know that to realize that dream home, I’ve to spend years simply popping into shops and searching on Fb market and I feel it’s a joyful factor. It’s undoubtedly a passion. It’s one thing that I take pleasure in just like the entrance finish of it, the looking out, after which I benefit from the again finish of it. Having the particular factor like, the swan fire that I’m obsessed about. I’ll maintain that until I die most likely as a result of it’s type of just like the a technique that we get to expertise the previous, moreover studying, I suppose. Is like you possibly can reside with, you should use the identical dishes and I simply suppose that’s actually cool. So it’s one thing that appeals to me is the thought of utilizing plenty of outdated issues which were utilized by individuals 100 years in the past. 

Emma: Yeah. I additionally suppose one thing about it, as a result of I really feel this manner after I thrift, I simply really feel just a little bit extra proud that I picked one thing out that works for me. Simply because I really feel prefer it’s simple to enter a extremely well-curated retailer, and select a sofa or select a costume, no matter you’re doing. And it takes just a little bit extra talent and eye and figuring out your individual type and style to enter a flea market or a thrift retailer and select one thing like that. And in addition you stated, there’s plenty of instances you go flea market buying and also you don’t come out with something. In that sense, you actually are looking for one thing. It’s not such as you’re going to kill a deer. It’s not that type of looking, but it surely’s such as you’re not at all times going to get the factor you’re going for. It’s such as you actually have to go searching. Whereas should you simply go to a well-curated, good retailer, it’s not likely precisely the identical. And there’s nothing unsuitable with shopping for new issues from shops clearly, however there’s something about flea markets and thrifting, so I get that. And I additionally suppose amassing is only a cool passion. It’s very fascinating. 

Elsie: I feel that it’s a adore it or hate it. I’ve a number of pals who’ve little interest in having a bunch of outdated stuff, and that’s high quality. However I feel that should you adore it, then it’s type of like nothing’s higher than that. So for me, there’s nothing I can purchase at I don’t know, a pleasant retailer like William Sonoma or Craigen bro. There’s nothing I can purchase at that retailer that’s higher than one thing I might discover in a flea market, which I really like that feeling, I feel it’s cool. 

Emma: Simply sparks pleasure. 

Elsie: Sure. And my final one is studying. So at the moment I’m presently in my audiobook period, and Jeremy had the cutest, dumb factor to say, he stated that we should always change. So our weblog, A Stunning Mess, we name it ABM typically and he stated that we should always change it to the place ABM means audiobook mother. That is good as a result of A Stunning Mess, I’m not so certain even applies. Audiobook, Mother is type of my entire persona. I’m simply strolling round my home, packing bins, cleansing dishes, taking walks, and going to Goal. There’s no time when the audiobook will not be within the ears. 

Emma: I ought to see if audiobookmom.com is accessible and simply begin placing evaluations on there. Purchase it. 

Elsie: Genius, genius. We want it. We want one other web site, for certain. So anyway, it introduced me a ton of pleasure. I solely began just a little greater than a yr and a half in the past studying fiction, and it has been utterly life-changing. So should you’re an individual who is rarely, you’re similar to, I solely like non-fiction. I used to be you a yr and a half in the past, and I’m telling you you’re unsuitable. You’re simply, you’re straight unsuitable. There’s a greater means. That’s my opinion. 

Emma: It’s true. I attempted to inform Elsie this for a decade and she or he lastly listened. 

Elsie: I used to be like, no, I’ll simply take heed to Atomic Habits, for pleasure, and it’s like, nicely, okay, atomic Habits is nice. It’s very nice, however there’s only a entire nother universe. It’s like Should you take pleasure in motion pictures however you solely wanna watch documentaries, it’s type of unhappy. 

Emma: Yeah and it’s like, that’s cool, however What about Ever After or one thing? I don’t know, it’s enjoyable. Strive it. You’ll prefer it. 

Elsie: Sure. Okay, so let’s discuss methods to make time for your hobbies, which is unquestionably an vital factor for anybody within the busy mother period. Anybody who’s, working and doing household life or no matter else, going to highschool, perhaps. I feel most individuals suppose they’re busy, even once they’re not, all of us really feel busy, proper? It’s only a factor you say and really feel. I feel the saddest factor on the planet is when individuals discuss one thing they wanna do, however then they by no means do it, it’s heart-wrenching. So how do you go from being somebody who has one thing that you realize, you wanna attempt to being somebody who truly is doing it? 

Emma: Yeah. So after you’ve recognized your factor, you’ve found out like, oh, I’m an introvert. And in addition by the best way, typically you really want to think about finances relating to hobbies, as a result of not everybody can purchase a kiln for his or her home not less than perhaps not this yr. 

Elsie: I knew you had been gonna decide on my Kiln. I knew you had been gonna name me out.

Emma: I’m at all times gonna make enjoyable of you, that’s my function in life. 

Elsie: My kiln is a part of my wealthy life, okay? 

Emma: I didn’t say you shouldn’t have it. I stated not everybody might purchase one, that’s truthful. 

Elsie: That’s true. 

Emma: It’s not even a dis to you. 

Elsie: I purchased it for myself for my fortieth birthday, and I undoubtedly couldn’t have afforded it after I was youthful.

Emma: You don’t must justify your kiln to me, I feel it’s superior that you’ve it. I’m simply saying, if an 18-year-old occurs to be listening they usually haven’t any cash, they is perhaps like, I can’t do pottery. Nevertheless it’s like, maintain on, there are different choices. So suppose by these issues too. So I’d decide one thing that’s simply gonna match nicely along with your way of life and your pursuits and all of these issues. But additionally, if you do, you possibly can break down your passion into small, small steps. So this is identical factor as objective setting. So let’s say you will have a giant profession objective or a giant life objective, normally what individuals will let you know is to interrupt it down into small little items, small chunks. Identical factor with hobbies. So for me, I attempt to suppose by like, how can I work on my passion tonight for one hour after my son goes to sleep or much less? Typically I work on it for like 20 minutes. For me, I’m into jewellery making proper now, I make plenty of necklaces. Final evening I began engaged on this necklace that has seed beads, so it takes rather a lot longer, they’re actually small beads. I most likely acquired like a sixth of a necklace executed in half-hour, after which I used to be like, you realize what? I simply wanna concentrate on this episode of Succession that we’re watching, so I’m simply gonna cease.

Elsie: Oh, a succession evening final evening?

Emma: It was succession evening final evening. Yeah, so then I finished engaged on my necklace, however I nonetheless really feel like I acquired to do my passion just a little bit. I’m engaged on ending this one, that’s for a pal I take into account and I haven’t labored with seed beads in just a little bit, so it’s similar to enjoyable for me. I’m at all times making an attempt to do completely different kinds with my jewellery making. That’s my no matter, what I’m desirous about. So suppose by, if in case you have a extremely small period of time, then I’d do this. And I additionally take into consideration how are you going to retailer your passion in a means you could get it out and put it away. Should you don’t have a roommate or any youngsters, then perhaps this received’t matter to you as a result of you possibly can depart your stuff out. However if in case you have a toddler who’s gonna mess with all of your jewelry-making stuff, Yeah. Or a associate who is perhaps like, why is our total lounge your portray studio now? You would possibly must suppose by, okay, how can I work on this, however then fold it up and put it away, or have my very own little house for it, or no matter it’s that you simply want. I’ve a caboodle for my jewellery making, and I put every little thing again and fold it up and tuck it away in order that my toddler doesn’t get into it and swallow my beads as a result of that may be tragic for numerous causes. I personally love hobbies that you are able to do whereas watching television. Not all of my hobbies match into that I really like studying and I can’t be sitting close to a TV and studying on the identical time. I simply don’t have the main focus for that. I’m not an individual who can do this. So I’ve hobbies that I can’t watch TV and do them on the identical time too. However I do suppose that’s enjoyable, and we’ll hyperlink this within the present notes, however we have now a publish, oh my gosh, I couldn’t consider that phrase. Submit, I’m a blogger, I couldn’t consider a publish, wow. We’ve a weblog publish that could be a entire bunch of various crafts that you are able to do whereas watching TV. So we are able to hyperlink that should you’re desirous about crafts, I assume you most likely are should you’re listening to this podcast. 

Elsie: Yeah. I do the overwhelming majority of my decor planning whereas we’re watching TV and in addition sourcing for bizarre stuff like artwork or I don’t know, I’ve needed to do plenty of residence sourcing currently to prepare for shifting. Simply discovering the right quilt or discovering artwork for a sure spot or discovering copper pots that aren’t a thousand {dollars}, issues like that. I feel these are, for me, that’s like actually good television. I really feel like I’m superb at multitasking, these types of issues, after which I don’t must waste my time doing them through the day. 

Emma: Yep, precisely. So yeah, simply discovering methods to be just a little bit extra environment friendly. One different factor I did some time in the past, that is simply my very own lived expertise won’t apply to you, I don’t know, however I began monitoring my display time each week. Which iPhones, if in case you have an iPhone you will have an app that’s known as Display Time or no matter. It’s calling everybody out and offers you a report each week. So I feel they’ve it on Android, I actually don’t know. However at any price, you possibly can most likely discover a approach to observe how a lot time you’re spending in your cellphone and what you’re spending it on. And for me, plenty of time goes to the PBS app as a result of I let my son watch Sesame Road on my cellphone. But additionally, clearly, I’ve plenty of time on Instagram and there’s nothing unsuitable with Instagram or TikTok or no matter else. If it’s bringing you pleasure, cool. However should you’re simply losing time on there and it’s truly not bringing you pleasure, then perhaps take a peek at that report each week like I did and I noticed, hey, there’s an additional two hours in right here that you would be studying or portray. So then I type of like giving myself permission. And for the report, I do work for myself, so this will not work for everybody, however I gave myself permission. I used to be like, should you don’t waste your time on Instagram throughout your workday, you solely get on there to do work and also you don’t scroll it the remainder of the time, then you possibly can bow out early on Fridays and both decide up your son early or learn for an hour earlier than you decide him up, no matter you wanna do. However that’s the deal. And for me, that type of factor actually works, however won’t for you and your way of life, I don’t know. However similar to discovering artistic methods to mainly waste your timeless on issues that aren’t filling you up with pleasure as a way to waste your time on issues which can be filling you up with pleasure, like hobbies.

Elsie: Yeah. My strategies are, the primary one is scheduling. I feel that scheduling, particularly for me, for my pottery and my portray stuff, I’ve to only have a time that I do know I’m gonna do it as a result of it’s getting plenty of stuff out, making a multitude, there’s cleanup. I’ve to cover it from my youngsters or else they wish to assist, which is its personal job and normally not one thing that I wanna do when it’s a artistic time for me. So it’s two separate issues. One other factor that works very well for me is multitasking. So prior to now, I’ll admit, that is type of like my entire life, however I feel it’s a part of what made A Stunning Mess a great job for me. I’d simply discover a approach to at all times work something I needed to do into A Stunning Mess. In order that’s why we’ve executed so many bizarre issues by the years. So I suppose discovering a approach to combine my job hours and my artistic life collectively has been good. After which so far as the audiobook factor, I feel simply changing into an expert multitasker. So lots of people at all times ask me, how do you learn so many books? And the reality is correct now that I learn hardly any paper books. I learn a paper guide if I’m flying if I’m on trip, which is nearly by no means. And I’ve one by my mattress that takes months at a time. So on my good reads, typically you possibly can see that there are books that I learn in two days, and there are books that I learn in six months, these are the paper books. So they simply are, however I discovered that audiobooks can mainly fill my thoughts after I’m doing senseless issues. So like washing the dishes, I do a faculty pickup line daily that takes about an hour. So I take heed to a guide throughout that point, each single day, and issues like that. And I feel that simply discovering a approach to squeeze issues in and use the time that you simply do have, should you’re somebody who desires to learn extra and also you haven’t tried audiobooks, I type of suppose you need to, it’s life-changing, particularly should you’re, I imply, you’re listening to a podcast proper now. You clearly don’t hate to hear. You simply type of develop into an expert multitasker the place like I by no means grocery store with out my headphones in. 

Emma: I additionally suppose should you’re ever hesitating about beginning a passion since you’re apprehensive that you simply’re not gonna be good at it, that it’s not one thing that’s helpful, it’s not sensible. So like why are you losing your money and time on it? You most likely produce other guilt journey issues that run by your thoughts. We’re all specialists at making ourselves really feel dangerous or stopping ourselves from doing issues due to social nervousness or no matter your factor is. Let me simply put on the market, I feel hobbies are actually good for you. I feel it is best to prioritize them. Yeah, and there are such a lot of completely different sorts. You don’t must make crafts. We love that. You don’t must go to the gymnasium, you don’t must play an instrument. You don’t must learn, you don’t must take heed to audiobooks however discover one thing that’s only for you and you’ll be dangerous at it, and it’s high quality. It doesn’t matter and it is best to waste nevertheless a lot cash suits your way of life and your finances on it, as a result of it’s only for you and it’s enjoyable and it’s good to try this and it’s okay to try this and also you’re value it. For certain. Belief me, and so are we, and so am I. So discover one thing which means one thing to you. 

Elsie: One thing that helps me is to visualise, I feel rather a lot about 10 years from now self and even like 20 years from now and suppose like how I wanna reside, mainly, the approach to life that I’m aiming for. And I’ve considered it rather a lot, so should you haven’t, please do, please, spend per week on it. It’s so, so, so value it. So for me, what I see myself doing is having this life the place I’m like type of a author and in addition an artist, and I’m spending a big a part of my day doing artistic stuff daily after which I prefer to suppose that I might do a number of issues that I really feel I can’t do now, like have a backyard or one thing. Just a few issues the place it’s like proper now will not be my season, but it surely may very well be in 10 years. That is most likely true, similar to how a lot time you will have in your life, free time as a younger mother or father in comparison with how a lot free time your dad and mom have, there’s a giant distinction. In 20 years might make an enormous, enormous, enormous distinction in your schedule for me at this stage to only maintain constructing my hours in the direction of these issues that I wanna do. You already know, that Malcolm Gladwell factor the place he says that everybody has to spend 10,000 hours earlier than he will be really nice at one thing. I similar to to suppose that I’m at all times constructing my 10,000 hours. So simply take pleasure in it, simply do it for enjoyable. I’m a giant believer that no artistic act you possibly can ever do is ever wasted. Even when it’s one thing like a portray that you simply throw within the rubbish or a whole cake that you simply throw within the trash as a result of it’s gross. The opposite day I did my very last kiln hearth earlier than we needed to unscrew and unplug every little thing to maneuver and each single factor in it turned out unsuitable, and it did. It was mainly like a batch that didn’t end up, and I undoubtedly did study one thing that day, and it was unhappy. I used to be mad about it, however on the identical time I’m nonetheless glad I did it and it’s nonetheless undoubtedly another notch in my artistic journey. So I feel, I don’t know. I feel that it’s a perspective that’s value having. Should you’re centered on the completed product, you will be discouraged in a short time should you’re centered on placing in hours constructing your artistic expertise, I feel that that’s a way more sustainable approach to keep inspired and at all times really feel like every little thing’s value it. 

Emma: Yeah, and I undoubtedly do have targets with my hobbies and issues that I’m making like last items I’m wanting and issues like that. However I additionally simply actually consider it extra as like, let’s think about you would know the way a lot time you will have in your life and it’s 60,000 hours. I don’t know, I do not know. So I don’t really feel like I’m gonna get to the top of my life and be like, I’m so comfortable I spent 50% of it watching television. I’m like, there’s nothing unsuitable with television, I like watching some television, however I actually like the thought, for me, I like the thought of attending to the top of my life and figuring out what number of nice books I learn and what number of scrumptious dishes of pasta I made at eight. And what number of stunning necklaces I made and gave out to my pals. And I don’t actually suppose it issues to me although, if I spent hours and made one thing crappy, to me it’s like, that was a part of the making, it’s simply part of it and I wanna spend my time on doing issues which can be fascinating to me. So it’s not, each second doesn’t must quote-unquote rely in the direction of the ultimate piece. Prefer it all does, even when it doesn’t really feel prefer it as a result of you possibly can’t have that massive image perspective till we’re truly on the very finish of our life. I simply attempt to think about that I can now, and I really feel like that’s adequate. 

Elsie: It undoubtedly is. I really feel like nobody loves TV greater than I do. I really like TV. TV is dangerous, however I do suppose it’s good to just be sure you have your prime issues within the prime spots of your time. Okay, so we have now a voicemail query this week.

Linsay: Hello Elsie and Emma. My title’s Lindsay. And my query for you was how did you greatest keep up a correspondence with one another as sisters if you lived extra lengthy distance? I’m clearly so excited to listen to about all the lads mundane actions you do when you’re again in the identical city, however I’ve a sister that I’d like to verify we keep shut and keep up a correspondence whereas we’re getting into the section of our lives the place we’re having youngsters and issues like that. Are you able to share suggestions? Thanks. Love you each. 

Elsie: Hello Lindsay. I feel this query is so candy. So Emma and I’ve a siblings textual content chat with our brother and our sister-in-law, and I really feel like that’s been so fantastic. We didn’t begin it that way back, perhaps a yr or two in the past. It’s been simply such an effective way to maintain up and share small issues which can be occurring. After which for Emma and I, we’ve lived in separate states for eight years now. We work collectively. We don’t discuss daily, however I’d say we discuss, would you say three days per week not less than? 

Emma: Yeah. We most likely textual content daily, however we most likely FaceTime, which is our foremost technique of speaking not less than a few times per week. Possibly extra on per week we have now extra time. Some weeks I’m like, I’m sorry, I’ve to complete my factor. 

Elsie: And typically we normally after we FaceTime it’s not less than an hour, and typically it eats up the entire day. However clearly, the advantage of it’s we’re staying actually linked and I feel we simply must have that. I really like FaceTime. I feel it’s fantastic and I feel common calling is so awkward now in comparison with it. Yeah, I feel that these issues have actually helped. Is there anything you’d, Em? 

Emma: I don’t suppose so. Clearly, we e-mail, however that’s actually extra for work. I don’t really feel like we e-mail to remain linked, however that may be an choice should you loved writing, and felt like you would specific your self higher. I don’t actually know, all people’s completely different. 

Elsie: I get sick of emails, so it’s not my most popular mode of maintaining with somebody. I’d means fairly FaceTime. Additionally, one other factor that’s been good is happening holidays. Like final yr we went on a foolish trip the place we didn’t actually do a lot, we simply type of frolicked and it was actually good. So I feel we’ll do extra of these. We’ve been planning this practice trip for 2 years.

Emma: I’m wondering should you’d talked about the practice. I can’t wait.

Elsie: Oh yeah, I imply, I feel dwelling in the identical city goes to be higher, however I feel that the eight years we spent dwelling in separate states, wasn’t dangerous. It nonetheless labored? And I don’t suppose that it made our enterprise worse. I feel most likely made our picture shoots worse, however not the remainder of it.

Emma: No, I acquired much more executed since you had been outta my hair.

Elsie: That’s true. I feel after I left we had been nonetheless working type of in an workplace collectively and we each began working from residence alone after that. And I feel we each simply favor to work from home. That has nothing to do with anybody, it’s similar to some individuals get extra executed once they’re alone, and I’m undoubtedly a kind of individuals.

Emma: Me too. 

Elsie: Working in an workplace, I used to be undoubtedly like a water cooler individual, you realize what I imply? It’s similar to getting stopped from chatting with individuals completely continuously. 

Emma: And I’m like borderline like impolite about it as a result of I’m like, I actually don’t have time, make a lunch date with me. Make plans for me after work should you wanna chat as a result of I’ve acquired to actually get my stuff executed proper now. Now I’m even worse about it, I can’t think about if I used to be within the workplace now, as a result of I solely have a lot daycare time. So I’m like, if I wasn’t planning on having a 20-minute dialog, I’m like, I can’t have a 20-minute dialog. I have to go end my factor, so yeah. It’s similar to the place it’s for now.

Elsie: Okay, nicely, I suppose it’s time now for a joke or a reality with Nova. All proper, right here’s Nova this week. Nova, do you will have a joke or do you will have a reality? 

Nova: I’ve a reality. 

Elsie: A reality. Okay. What sort of info do you will have for us at the moment? 

Nova: Do you know that our state animal is a raccoon? 

Elsie: Which state? 

Nova: Tennessee. 

Elsie: Okay. Have you learnt any extra Tennessee info?

Nova: Additionally, do you know that our state hen is a Mockingbird? 

Elsie: Oh, that’s a great one. I didn’t know that. 

Nova: And the state vegetable is a tomato. 

Elsie: It’s the state vegetable and the state fruit. Proper? 

Nova: Yeah. 

Elsie: That’s type of cool. Okay. Thanks for the info. She’s so proud. Okay, we can be again subsequent week with our consolation rewatch episode. This one goes to be Emma’s favourite film of all time, Stranger than Fiction from 2006.

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